Participant Profile
Kosuke Kitamura
Other : President and CEO, LIVING HOUSE Co., Ltd.Faculty of Business and Commerce GraduatedKeio University alumni (2000, Commerce). After working for an apparel trading company and other firms, he joined LIVING HOUSE Co., Ltd., a company founded by his grandfather, in 2004. He has served as the company's President and CEO since 2011.
Kosuke Kitamura
Other : President and CEO, LIVING HOUSE Co., Ltd.Faculty of Business and Commerce GraduatedKeio University alumni (2000, Commerce). After working for an apparel trading company and other firms, he joined LIVING HOUSE Co., Ltd., a company founded by his grandfather, in 2004. He has served as the company's President and CEO since 2011.
Interviewer: Nobuko Sekiguchi
Other : Outside Director (Audit and Supervisory Committee Member), H2O Retailing CorporationKeio University alumni
Interviewer: Nobuko Sekiguchi
Other : Outside Director (Audit and Supervisory Committee Member), H2O Retailing CorporationKeio University alumni
Creating Originality through Proposal Power
──Mr. Kitamura, you have been attracting attention for launching one creative initiative after another in the interior and furniture industry. With interest in furniture and interiors rising due to the stay-at-home demand caused by the COVID-19 pandemic, how do you view the originality and strengths of LIVING HOUSE?
I believe our originality lies in a triple combination of our stores, our products, and the people who serve our customers. In other words, we assemble each of these individually, and then further enhance our originality through their combination.
The most significant factor among these is 'people.' We adopt a style of consulting-based proposals. We don't just recommend products; we believe furniture and interiors are tools to create 'experiences' (koto) that allow customers to live comfortably and feel uplifted at home. We call this 'selling experiences' rather than 'selling things.'
For example, we ask what kind of lifestyle the customer wants. When they are replacing furniture, we listen carefully to what kind of space their home is and what colors would be best, and then propose the best answer. There are not many stores with this style in the furniture and interior industry.
──In addition to retail, you also handle corporate business, don't you?
That's right. For example, at the request of condominium developers or house builders, we create spaces to stage model rooms. We also work on offices, hotels, and coworking spaces, creating various commercial spaces according to the needs of customers who want to make their spaces stylish. There are not many companies that enhance spatial value by developing such businesses while focusing primarily on retail.
──Regarding stylish spatial value, it seems it hasn't quite taken root in Japanese lifestyle habits yet.
We have a philosophy of 'Making Japan an advanced nation in spatial-temporal value.' Spatial-temporal value means feeling the value of the time spent in a space, but as you pointed out, Japan is unfortunately still a developing nation in this regard.
I think there are two reasons why furniture and interior culture has not flourished in Japan. One is that the time spent at home is short. Japanese people are hard workers, and 'outdoor' sectors like the restaurant and entertainment industries are too well-developed. In Europe, when you talk about where a family eats, it naturally refers to the home. Restaurants aren't even open on Sundays. The Japanese lifestyle is fundamentally different from these countries, and the degree to which people spend money on things inside the home is low.
The other reason is that no matter how stylish they make the inside of their homes, Japanese people don't show it to others. There is no culture of home parties, and there is a mindset that there is no point in spending money on something you don't show to others. In contrast, in places like Europe, there are regular opportunities to replace sofas or plates.
Rather, Japanese people spend money on things visible to others, such as cars, watches, and bags. Very few people in Europe drive luxury cars; everyone drives a single car until it falls apart. To those people, the Japanese consumption style of replacing a new car every three years must be unbelievable. Within these cultural differences, we want to make it possible for people to enjoy the time they spend in a space.
The Furniture and Interior Industry Post-COVID
──It is said that 'home time' increased during the pandemic. Do you feel a change in consumer awareness?
It has changed 180 degrees. After all, fathers are now at home. After the first state of emergency was declared in April-May 2020, I think almost every furniture store saw increased profits from June through December. However, in 2021, as staying at home continued, demand went through a full cycle, and the general trend is that year-on-year figures have dropped slightly overall.
But we were able to grow in 2021 compared to the previous year. I think this is important. Analyzing this, general furniture stores are often street-level shops where most people visit for a specific purpose. In contrast, LIVING HOUSE, which opens stores in commercial facilities, can reach people who are not 'purpose-driven' customers. I think this is the result of being able to draw out potential demand through customer service proposals from people who just happened to stop by.
We opened five new stores after the pandemic started. We saw the withdrawal of apparel brands as an opportunity and moved into the vacant floor space. Increasing the number of stores is a good cycle because it increases our bargaining power.
Infusing the Family Business Philosophy into New Challenges
──Mr. Kitamura, you are the third generation to take over the family business, but you are challenging yourself with new things based on various ideas. Was there a specific event that triggered this?
When I graduated from Keio, I had no intention of taking over the family business at all. But I also didn't want to go to the kind of large corporations where my classmates were getting jobs. I had a preconception that if I entered a company with a huge number of peers, I wouldn't be able to utilize my individuality. I wondered if a company where it takes decades to be able to make important decisions would even be interesting.
──In that sense, perhaps you already had a desire back then to manage a company and demonstrate your originality.
That's right. When I took over as president from my father, he told me, "I don't care if you change the company name or do other things, but I want you to at least carry on the management philosophy." That philosophy is "To create comfortable living spaces and build the prosperity of furniture and interior culture," and those words from my father might have been significant.
The slogan we have now, "Toward an advanced nation in spatial-temporal value," and new businesses like flower subscriptions and home appliance sales, are all concrete forms of how I interpreted and realized the philosophy of "creating comfortable living spaces" from the previous generation.
What I call "spatial-temporal" is a term that replaced what my father originally called "living space." Even if you just say "space," it's not just for living; there are commercial facilities, public spaces, vehicles, hospitals, and more. I wanted to expand the business horizontally so that we could approach any kind of space without being restricted to just "living," so I changed the wording in this way.
──So your idea is to protect the philosophy of providing spatial value from the previous generation while expanding the business beyond just furniture.
Space only gains meaning when people spend time there. The nature of that time varies—for example, time spent sleeping in a bedroom or time spent working in an office. If you think about business as a combination of space and time, the field expands indefinitely. No matter how you expand it, it leads to the improvement of interior culture that my father championed. I am currently thinking about how to expand horizontally while properly carrying that over.
For example, when we work on a hotel project, we don't just want to create a nice hotel; we want to enhance the value of the time for the people spending it there. I feel there are things we can do not only for hotels but also for spaces where people who are not necessarily in good health spend time, such as hospital spaces and nursing care facilities.
──When people think of managers who value originality, they often imagine entrepreneurs. As a hereditary manager, do you feel any difference between yourself and entrepreneurs?
I am trying to turn a 1 into a 3 or a 5, whereas entrepreneurs are creating 1 from zero, so I think they are amazing in that regard. However, I feel it's not a matter of which is better or worse. I have a foundation from the previous generation, but at the same time, there are parts that get in the way. I have also experienced the difficulty of changing those things.
──I feel that you are not being held back by being a successor.
That might be because my desire to utilize my individuality is stronger.
Carving a Path with Footwork
──Whether one can actually grow depends partly on their own talent. Where do you think the factor lies that allows individuality to lead to success?
I have a desire to show my individuality, but I don't think my ideas will absolutely be accepted. The consumer is always at the center, and the perspective of what people are thinking when they take consumption actions is important. I think my focus on the customer's perspective is stronger than most.
──You also have more drive than most. You suddenly stayed in Jakarta, Indonesia, for about a month.
I thought that if I was seriously considering opening a store overseas, I needed to "become a local," so I lived in Jakarta for a month in August 2019.
During that time, I visited every furniture store and commercial facility in Jakarta, and looked at many apartments and model rooms to research the local housing situation. It was also a big help that I was introduced to various people through acquaintances from my Keio days and others, which allowed me to gather a lot of information.
My motto is that footwork carves out your life. Up until now, there have been many times when I was glad I actually went somewhere and met people. It's faster to move than to worry about whether you should go or meet someone. The intuition of whether you should go somewhere within a limited time is also refined with experience.
──I also heard you traveled all over Tokyo by bicycle. That's incredible vitality.
LIVING HOUSE often opens stores in large-scale commercial facilities, but I was hearing that street-level tenants were starting to become vacant due to the impact of the pandemic. So, I went around Tokyo by bicycle with my employees to see for ourselves.
Real estate agent information is enough if you just want to know about store vacancies, but what's essential is the foot traffic at different times of day and the operating status of other stores. I want to know that kind of area information through physical experience. We started riding in the morning and went around central areas like Aoyama, Harajuku, Shibuya, Daikanyama, Ebisu, and Nakameguro for six hours non-stop.
Cars involve a lot of wasted time, like looking for parking. With a bicycle, you might encounter unexpected properties on backstreets. I am always conscious of the so-called "Three Actuals" (Sangenshugi): the actual place, the actual thing, and the actual reality.
The Challenge of Department Store Revitalization
──Currently, you are involved in the reconstruction of a long-established department store in Yonago, Tottori, in a way that you are entrusted with the entire spatial production of one floor. This is a different type of work from your previous store openings, isn't it?
It's quite different. It was originally a project where I turned down the request to open a store once. My first impression was that it was more like a supermarket than a department store, and it had already been decided that the department store would withdraw. However, there were circumstances where local dignitaries bought the commercial facility because the town would fall into decay if it collapsed.
But the situation was tough, and while thinking of reasons to decline, I spoke my mind, saying, "The department store business model is impossible in a regional city. Why not narrow it down to only sharp, specialized shops and make it a 'Thirty-Store' (Sanjukkaten) instead of a 'Department Store' (Hyakkaten)?" Then, the president of the other party said, "Mr. Kitamura, instead of opening a store, please produce the entire floor."
I had never done work on that scale and was honestly bewildered, but I felt this could become interesting, so I decided to accept. We will fully renovate the top floor of the five-story building and renew it into a floor that proposes a new lifestyle. It is scheduled to open in August. It is a business, of course, but it is also regional revitalization. Everyone involved is truly passionate, so we want to do our best as well.
──Will it be significantly different from your previous store formats?
Our store will be in there, but I will also be handling the selection of products and displays for the remaining parts operated by the department store. When you think of a department store, you imagine Baccarat glasses and Wedgwood teacups lined up, right? Strangely, no matter which store you go to, they all look the same. But even within Wedgwood, there are modern and stylish products that are different from the classics. I proposed actively promoting those things to change the image.
Since we are creating a cutting-edge floor that would be unthinkable for a regional department store, there are challenging aspects, but in a city of 150,000 people, I dared to target the young demographic in their 30s and 40s rather than trying to please everyone.
By doing so, we might lose some customers, but we will attract people from a wider area and expand the trade area from 150,000 to 500,000. To achieve that, I felt we needed a 'sharp' product lineup that would make customers want to visit. When I made that proposal, they went along with it. I think their decision-making is also amazing.
The Keio Circle Connecting All Over the Country
──As a manager, do you ever feel the impact of what you learned at Keio?
I often joke that I spent four years on summer vacation at Keio, but during my time as a Keio students, I was in a golf club. That club had classmates who gathered from various regions, and there were particularly many from Fukuoka and Nagoya.
One of them was a producer at a TV station in Fukuoka, and when LIVING HOUSE opened its first store in Fukuoka, they covered it. I have friends and acquaintances from the club in every region, and our interaction has continued even after graduation. I wasn't a diligent student, but I think entering Keio was very good for my subsequent life as a businessman.
──You are originally from Osaka. Was there a specific reason you decided to go to Keio?
I entered Keio through a recommendation. My high school was a combined junior and senior high school for university prep, and I was in the baseball club during high school, but my grades were just barely short of what was needed for a Keio recommendation. Even so, I thought that continuing my club activities might be a plus, so I studied frantically after retiring from the club. As a result, the fact that I stayed in the baseball club until the end was also a factor, and I was able to get a Keio recommendation slot.
──Has your drive been with you since your days as a Keio students?
In the Faculty of Business and Commerce, I belonged to Professor Norikazu Kudo's seminar. When I was a senior, I went on a three-week backpacking trip through Europe, even though it was during the semester. Since students don't have much money, I aimed for a time when airfare was cheap (laughs). Since I wouldn't be showing my face for three weeks, I spent the whole trip thinking about what I should say to the professor. When I went to report to him after returning, he was a very kind professor who just laughed and forgave me.
I was a Keio students who really didn't study, but I think this period was an invaluable time when I was able to refine my sensibilities. Even if I went back to that time in a time machine now, I would probably do the same thing.
──We look forward to your further success. Thank you very much for today.
(Recorded on April 15, 2022, at the Tokyo Headquarters of LIVING HOUSE Co., Ltd.)
*Affiliations and titles are as of the time of publication.